Today’s Lisbon treaty discussion on Liveline was interesting. Had it been informative it might have been worthwhile. The main contributors were DJ Carey, Ben Dunne, Sinead O’Connor and Meabh Binchey. Apparently these were some of the names that came up when Liveline asked its listeners who they would like to hear give their views on the treaty. So, when the good people of Ireland, the wonderfully erudite and informed fans of Joe Duffy want some advice on a vital change to our hallowed constitution to whom do they turn. A former hurler, a former grocer, a pop star priestess and an internationally best selling novelist.
According to O’Connor most of us are too busy trying to feed ourselves or raise our kids to figure out what the treaty is all about. She thinks that we should postpone the vote until the dullards who make up the electorate can get up to speed on this thing. That could take years. She tells us later in the discussion that ‘…the devil is your best friend.’ So vote no, then.
DJ, believed by many to have political ambitions, nicely toes the party line and calls for a yes vote, saying that while he doesn’t really understand the treaty he trusts the politicians to steer him on the right path. Blah, blah, blah.
Meabh takes a very europhile view of the debate, saying that Europe has been great for us and we should stay on the great big euro bus. So vote yes.
Dunne, as usual, is just hilarious. Having told us that he does not understand the treaty he then tells us of his great intelligence. So if Ben ‘Einstien’ Dunne can’t understand it, what chance do the rest of us have?
The most interesting part of the discussion was the apparent revelation that Ben Dunne is suffering from Stockholm Syndrome. Twice today he leapt to the defence of Sinn Fein. Yes, the same Sinn Fein whose private army, the IRA, kidnapped Dunne back in 1981.
Later, over dinner, the subject of Dunne’s kidnap came up and the idea was put forward that it was Charlie Haughey who secured his release. This resulted in great mirth as we imagined the scene out at Kinsealy when Charlie learned that his greatest benefactor was in a spot of bother.
Within minutes Charlies, in a panic, has the IRA Chief of Staff on the phone.
‘Any chance you’d let Ben go?’
‘No f**cking way.’
‘Ah, go on. I’ve spoken to Don Tidey. He says you can have Maurice Pratt instead.’
The Questions & Answers Lisbon Special was great fun too. One thing that was clear was that Enda won’t be leader of Fine Gael at the next election. Everybody, including Declan Ganley, wiped the floor with him. He had to be rescued so many times by John Bowman that it was laughable.
Having watched Mary Lou McDonald tonight, it is clear that if she had joined Fianna Fail instead of Sinn Fein she would be snapping at Mary Coughlan’s heels. Whatever about her politics, she is a shrewd operator who can hold her own with the best of them.
A nice point from a member of the audience, who were all invited, interested parties, about the no side of the panel. One of them (Sinn Fein) terribly concerned about US war planes passing through Shannon and the other (Declan Ganley) trying to get his gear onto them.
Micháel Martin batted well for the government while the Cóir representative accused the yes camp of being an ignorant shower who shouted and booed every time a no campaigner tried to make a point, before going on herself to try to shout down Enda when he attempted to answer her question.
So plenty of accusations of lying, plenty of booing and hissing and a complete disaster for Enda, especially when he revived his cringe inducing, wounded Catholic persona in response to a question about abortion.
Anyway, this correspondent has now made up his mind about how he will cast his vote.
(Note: Must stop referring to myself in the third person. Far too remeniscent of Liam Lawlor!)
I have consumed the debate voraciously over the last couple of weeks and have done my best to be as informed as possible, (unlike Sinead and Ben), and unless Sarkozy and Merkel run naked down O’Connell Street in the next 48 hours screaming ‘You fools, you fools. We have you now. You will sell your soul to a war-mongering, baby-murdering, tax-plundering, European cesspit of pure evil!!,’ I will, like Meg Ryan in When Harry Met Sally, be screaming…….
June 12, 2008 at 4:11 pm
Good piece Andrew - one thing that bugs me is why have the media in this country been so shy in investigating the very sinister Libertas group? I think indymedia are generally shite as a ‘news’ source (they come across like a soviet mouthpiece - all earnest, deluded trinity politics students with che guevara posters on their walls) but they managed a half decent piece on them. creepy fuckers, Libertas.
June 12, 2008 at 8:58 pm
Indymedia are, I find, a bit like the No side in the Lisbon debate. They tend to be against everything and seem to be made up of people who scour the streets all day until they find something which offends them. Complaining about stuff seems to be their whole raison d’etre.
June 13, 2008 at 2:55 pm
I actually had an attack of conscience and decided to vote after all - imagine my shock when I found out i’d been taken off the register! (I had moved house). It seems like the gov. make it as difficult as possible to vote. it really sickens me, same way you cant vote if you happen to be out of the country; what kind of a parochial attitude is that? it would be good to hear your opinion on that, andrew.
June 13, 2008 at 4:22 pm
Leo, I moved house about five years ago. Within a couple of months I re-registered my vote at my new address, so the next time I needed it it just dropped through the letterbox. I don’t know if you did this or not but the onus is on the citizen to ensure that they have a vote. The register can be checked online and as we don’t have too many snap elections (unlike the early eighties)it is not too difficult to protect your vote. In defence of the government I don’t think that they deliberately make it difficult for you to vote, (we can leave that to Jeb Bush) however there seemed to be a fair bit of incompetence before the last general election.Being unable to vote while out of the country doesn’t bother me too much either. I doubt very much if the absence of a relatively few voters from each constituency makes any difference to the vote. I would be very reluctant also to allow the vote for emmigrants on the basis of having no representation without taxation. If emmigrants care so much about the future of the country let them come back and contribute in a meaningful way.
June 14, 2008 at 10:27 am
Hi andrew, I agree with you about emigrants voting rights, i was talking more about those of us who need to travel frequently, and yes, I could have checked the register earlier!